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Skeeve - 31 Dec 07 - 11:00 PM
A couple of questions, though...
Why does the breaching of the gates of MT happen much later than the arrival of the Rohirrim? It's been awhile since I read ROTK, but I seem to remember that the sound of Grond pounding on the gates was the impetus for Theoden's charge.
And I thought Denethor was already possessed by the Palantir (and Faramir out of action) at about the same time.
Minor quibbles, though (and it is AU, after all). A very well done piece, and I hope to read more of it in the future.
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Nath - 01 Jan 08 - 1:37 AM
Hi Skeeve!
Thank you for reading. I'm glad you're enjoying it.
And yes, there will be more. I can't quite promise when, but a number of chapters beyond what there is now already exist in various stages of draft.
And good questions... I'll try to answer them without giving away spoilers.
Why does the breaching of the gates of MT happen much later than the arrival of the Rohirrim?
Much later indeed... the next day even... I'll try and get the timeline so far in shape to post it (so don't get too excited at the next update
)
Sauron's plan of attack isn't the same as in the book. For a start, since he is certain that Aragorn doesn't have the Ring, he can deploy the Nazgûl differently, so it's not the Witchking in charge of the attack on Minas Tirith (this is technically a spoiler, but I had already given that one away...).
And I thought Denethor was already possessed by the Palantir (and Faramir out of action) at about the same time.
Correct, but keeping Denethor alive is an important part of the divergences from the book. The major point of divergence is that Frodo isn't captured by Faramir, but panics and runs. The other one is of course Aragorn using the palantír a second time.
One of the effects of Frodo running is that Faramir doesn't go against Denethor's wishes in letting him go free, and therefore both he and Denethor are in a better mood in the next few days. No "Do you wish then that our places had been exchanged?" conversation... With the attack on Minas Tirith going differently, Faramir isn't wounded or stricken with the Black Breath, so Denethor doesn't use the palantír at that point (just as well, with Sauron holding the Ring) and doesn't fall into despair.
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Akatsukami - 07 Aug 10 - 7:09 PM
Have you read John Reilly's take on Sauron regaining the Ring? http://www.johnreilly.info/tghtop.htm
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Nath - 07 Aug 10 - 7:59 PM

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Sirannon - 03 Sep 10 - 2:55 AM
Thank you, Nath for another chapter. Faramir is my favorite character, and it is nice to see him do what he does best. I wonder whether Sqauron is sending further forces towards Lorien. It is hard to see how anything can turn out for the better at this point. I'm really looking forward to the continuation.
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Aiwendiel - 18 Oct 11 - 7:07 PM
I've been periodically catching up on this tale for some time. This is a chilling and thrilling version of fate gone awry, all too easY to imagine the moment of chance that led to this terrible divergence. But you have woven this AU work brilliantly. I look forward to retreading and delving into the richness and detail, the characters, and to follow the many thread of mystery yet unfolding. Thanks for this excellent piece, Nath!
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helga - 22 Nov 12 - 8:40 PM
A very engaging story with insightful characterizations, in which Denethor gets to say "I told you so..." Actually, he hasn't really said that (yet), but I bet thought it! - and a nerve-wracking Gandalf who may or may not be subject to certain influences through his possession of a ring of power. Very interesting take on what would happen if The Quest failed; all is not automatically trashed by the enemy, and in keeping with one of JRRT's major themes, it's hinted that "there is always a chance of the unexpected happening," folks have faced worse situations in the past.
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Nath - 25 Nov 12 - 5:38 AM
Hi Helga,
I'm as good as certain Denethor thought "I told you so." 
Glad you're enjoying it so far:)
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helga - 03 Dec 12 - 11:08 PM
Yow, there were, indeed, some surprises, most of them heart-rending and very insightful charaterizations.
I definitely did not see the Mirkwood fatalities coming (although maybe I should have guessed more of the major characters would be picked off here and there). And it's carried out beautifully - the pacing is perfect, you keep the reader on the edge of her seat, not knowing if this little sliver of hope means the character might pull through or - well, but in the last chapter, that other guy didn't make it.. .
I would never have guessed who the Presence was (nor did I figure out who/what the Mariner was in Hands of the King, so thank you for answering two questions). I think both major and lesser characters have been very well fleshed out, with some very touching characterizations.
Arwen is another nice surprise - really perceptive insights into what she might have been thinking, what her choice might mean, what options are still left to her. Best, her resolve to actively resist - this is a nice added touch that really deepens her character.
I had to laugh at poor Saruman. I w as kind of right, he kind of reformed, kind of, at least kind of a little.
Now it looks like you might not be finished? I hope not. A lot of things are left hanging, and one wants to know how things turn out.
More guesses/predictions (ridiculous to not exactly sublime):
- Elfhelm must die; seriously, you can't expect Faramir not to annoy his father by marrying a barbarian and giving Hurin a nervous breakdown.
- Arwen is gonna kick some major Sauron butt, and Gollum is gonna help out in some way he probably won't like.
- Saruman will get what's coming to him, almost, but will also be offered mercy. He and Boromir's ghost are sent to work with underprivileged students at a school run by Rhadaghast.
- And where IS Rhadaghast? He's out there, somewhere, as far as the reader knows.....
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Nath - 04 Dec 12 - 11:06 AM
Hi Helga,
Thank you for the comment - I'm glad I solved the mystery of the Mariner for you 
Rest assured, it doesn't end here... I'm a bit stuck on getting the next few chapters into shape, but the main outline is there in greater or lesser detail right to the end (I try to tell myself I'm about halfway through, but then I remember that I thought it was going to be about 75000 words when I started).
Those are some interesting guesses... and anything that gives Hurin a nervous breakdown is a good idea, even if it means I'd have to find a way to get Faramir and ElfhelmEowyn together 
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Aganaphel - 27 Jun 07 - 1:41 PM
Great story!
I hope you will continue. It will be interesting to see what happens to Halbarad and Denethor. Cheers, Aganaphel
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Nath - 27 Jun 07 - 6:53 PM
Thank you
I have no intention of stopping here... don't worry. But it takes me some time to beat a chapter into shape, so it may be a while before the next update.
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IVIaedhros - 15 Jan 08 - 7:59 PM
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Aganaphel - 18 Dec 07 - 12:27 PM
Oh Nooo... you killed the Witchy! *sniff* I so hoped that without Eowyn he would live - the world will be dull without our favorite ringwraith. Well, you also did in Aragorn, but here I don't mind - hail to Chieftain Halbarad! And I am glad to see Denethor well and in charge - but why wasn't he present at the Gate? - Rightfully he should have been the one to reply to Mordor's terms. Isn't Gandalf really foolish to wear Narya? That won't end well.
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Nath - 18 Dec 07 - 1:31 PM
Thank you for the comment, and umm... did I say 'Witchking' anywhere
?
Denethor isn't at the Gate precisely because he is in charge. Of everything. Faramir and Imrahil are in command of the direct goings-on on the battlefield. Denethor is in the Citadel. He knows better than to use the palantir at this point, and the point of the Citadel gives him the next best thing for an overview.
If they hadn't run when the Nazgul came through the Gate, Imrahil or Faramir could have taken care of any negotiations, not that I think they were expecting any - also this 'offer' is made as much to taunt Gandalf and create unrest/discord with the defenders as from any expectation that it would be seriously considered, let alone accepted.
And yes, Gandalf isn't being very wise here at the end...
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IVIaedhros - 15 Jan 08 - 8:08 PM
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Nath - 15 Jan 08 - 10:18 PM
That last bit is technically incorrect though. The proximity of the wraiths don't effect Sauron's ability to manipulate the other rings. Once he puts the One on, he can immediately see everything in the wielder's mind.
Yep... Gandalf's not thinking straight here. Isn't it a shame...
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Skeeve - 28 Jun 08 - 1:02 PM
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Nath - 29 Jun 08 - 3:15 AM
You're right, Gandalf isn't quite himself here; maybe he shouldn't have put on Narya again after the fight with the Nazgul. Whether or not he has a plan? Who knows? Well, I do, but it will be a number of chapters before that question can be answered...

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Calenlass Greenleaf - 09 Jul 08 - 8:29 AM
*silence*
I did not really think you would kill him.
Aragorn...dead...
*walk around in a daze*
But that was bloody good writing. :)
~Calenlass
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Anglachel - 01 Aug 09 - 12:11 PM
That is an evil cliffhanger, Nath. Just saying...
Ang
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Nath - 01 Aug 09 - 9:53 PM
Evil cliffhangers? Me?
Dang, that halo's too tight...
Ah, better...
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helga - 29 Nov 12 - 12:29 AM
Ha - great chapter ending! I really like the bits of humor in this, as well as the really ingenuous ways in which this AU is working out, and the characterizations. Denethor, Eowyn, Halbarad all seem very well realized. Poor Eowyn, all cooped up..... Poor Faramir, looks like he's out of luck.
Also good are the cliff-hangars and nagging little questions, like, what happened to Gollum and Who was that presence that aided Aragorn in his final moments? I'll be interested to find out if my guesses are right...
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Nath - 29 Nov 12 - 11:04 PM
Hi Helga,
Yeah, looks like tough luck for Faramir.
Once you get to that point, I'll be interested to know what your guesses were... 
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helga - 30 Nov 12 - 7:24 PM
I'd post my guesses now, but perhaps should give this a Spoiler -Maybe warning?
For the Good Guy mysterious presence, my first guess is Gandalf, who, even if fighting off whatever influence he may be hit with. May also have other reasons for his odd behavior. Other guesses, which are mostly silly but fun: Frodo, who isn't dead, yet,but has manage to co-opt some of Sauron's mind; Denethor 2.0 (now that he's over being crazy, he's not being taken in again, he has some experience ve with this palate or mind-meld stuff,and he would just love to get back at Sauron); Saruman, reformed. No, Forget those last three......
As for Gollum, my reaction at the point he's mentioned was, " oh man,don't tell me,the unforeseensurprise is that Gollum saves the day." Well, he would've drawn toward the Ring, right? And with Saruman making a bid in his own own power play ending up keeping Sauron distracteD, thatwould giveGollum a chance to get in there and screw things up (for Sauron). The same Plan Araorn had, but carried out bby the bad guys, or at least, less thang good guys.
Hm, maybe yu can see why I read, but don't write, these things.....
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helga - 30 Nov 12 - 7:26 PM
Eek, too many typos. I blame it (Mostly) on auto-correct.....
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Nath - 30 Nov 12 - 10:42 PM
*heh* Interesting guesses... And all I can say to any of them is that I don't think I said that Frodo is dead (as Sauron wants to know, "Where would be the fun in that for me?")
(and, errr.... always blame auto-correct for typos
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Aiwendiel - 25 Oct 11 - 9:31 AM
Well-crafted and intriguing portraits of Elrond and Arwen and their inner thoughts and feelings of the changed awful reality. And what a hook at the end... hmm... hope live on,, in some fashion? Very interesting!
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Aiwendiel - 04 Nov 11 - 6:39 PM
A chilling, exciting chapter. Too little is written about the battles for Lorien,whether in canon or out of it. Love that Galadriel wields a sword and wanted to challenge her brother's murderer. Great characterizations of Celeborn and the twins, too. And very interesting mystery at the end!
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Aiwendiel - 23 Feb 12 - 9:23 AM
Oh. My Goodness. As dark as this AU is, I somehow never expected... this. You snuck this in after lulling me peacefully with men's councils and wars threatening but till far off... and then to have these two, ever the survivors, stalwart friends to the end, fall to... spiders!
You broke my heart with these lines more than any I have read in a long time:
"Gimli, I can hear the Sea," Legolas whispered, so low that Gimli could barely hear him, yet the words cut straight to his heart. "Can you hear it too?"
"Yes," Gimli responded, tears blurring his eyes. "Yes, I can."
Wonderful writing... wonderful story.
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Aiwendiel - 16 Mar 12 - 6:37 AM
Oh, Nath! You continue to stretch my poor heart between scenes of grim hope and awful reality. This chapter, immediately coming after one full of strategy and men doing what they can to stave off the day of final reckoning, is all the more heartbreaking. And a cliff hanger -- literally as well as figuratively! Can I read in this a flimsy thread of hope that maybe one of our gallant brothers might have.... Oh, no, I suppose not... Sigh. Wonderful tale, wonderful writing... Keep at it, please!
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RS - 15 Apr 12 - 11:37 AM
Oh Nath,
I am so at the edge of my seat! I'm sweating to death and my heart is palpitating! This chapter just gave me anxiety and total anticipation! Hurry up with the next update!
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Aiwendiel - 19 Apr 12 - 7:09 PM
Ohh I have a very bad feeling about this! Beautiful but so intensely disturbing. The fate of Luthien was truly a complex one, and she was one amazingly courageous character -- thanks for highlighting this oft overlooked fact! Sharing her fate is fraught with ... complications! I am shivering with anticipation. Keep writing fast! Great chapter!
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Aiwendiel - 19 Jun 12 - 7:27 PM
How wonderful to discover a new chapter in this tale! I appreciate how you continue to 'tell it slant' through secondary characters viewpoints. Erkenbrand is merely a cardboard image in the original and you have fleshed him out fully. Nice take on the similarities of the marriage customs between Rohan and The Shire, too -- except of course, hobbits would have it all down on paper with multiple signatures! So poignant, in contrast to your recent chapters full of so much loss, to see the most common ceremony and celebration of all playing out, despite the world falling to pieces. And the wedding night shenanigans at the end... perfect! Nicely done!
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Aiwendiel - 13 Jul 12 - 10:02 AM
Oh, Nath... Such heartbreaking chapters, but so finely wrought! I hadn't held out hope for even one of the twain to survive, and it is almost worse to have it be just the one... As I know well... The grief of loss is terrible. But I am surprised and very intrigued by the mysterious voice! Wow,what an unexpected, but perfectly fitting idea! Can't wait for more. Wonderful story! A
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Aiwendiel - 30 Aug 12 - 7:37 PM
Glad to see an update on this tale. This chapter is a very interesting take on how the remnant of Arnor must appear to such a "civilized" fellow as Hurin. What a character he is -- and not at all admirable!
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Nath - 30 Aug 12 - 8:09 PM
Thank you:-)
Hmm, yes, Hurin is very certain of his Gondorian superiority, isn't he?
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Aiwendiel - 08 Jan 13 - 2:43 PM
Whew! This was not at all what I expected when I imagined where your tale would take Gandalf... but it seems entirely fitting. And of course, leaves so much potential for the future... I'm so glad you found a very clever way to rid your much changed and darker Middle Earth of another wizard, as well! Very nice... looking forward, as always, to much much more. Aiwendiel
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Nath - 09 Jan 13 - 7:50 PM
Hi Aiwendiel,
Glad you enjoyed these chapters.
Gandalf is still in an unpleasant position, and yes, I do have plans for him... 
As for the other, I suspect he's not going to enjoy explaining himself (a scene which probably falls outside the scope of this story, but if inspiration strikes it might work as a spin-off).
Looking at 34, that character will at least play some further role in events...
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Aiwendiel - 08 Jan 13 - 2:50 PM
Oho! That's the explanation for the 'presence' at the bedside in Minas Tirith... again, unexpected but perfectly appropriate... I find your approach of threading in this mysterious, starry character very intriguing...
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helga - 15 Apr 13 - 10:38 PM
This chapter is a very nice touch, and an interesting addition to Merry's character, as he is becomes assimilated into a different culture (through a shotgun - crossbow - wedding?) Finally, a little reprieve from all the stress! But there is also a undercurrent of sadness, especially as we see how the characters base their actions and attitudes on the fact that they may not have a lot of time left; even those lacking pirivileged information have the sense that they're in for some tough times.
Merry's thoughts upon reading Saradoox' letter also lead the reader to wonder ifhe (and any of the other hobbits) will ever get back to the Shire alive.....
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Silbereth - 14 Jul 10 - 12:09 PM
I love this story, it has me on the edge of my seat! the best thing is I have absolutely no idea who will live and how it's going to end. Can't wait for the next chapter :)
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Nath - 14 Jul 10 - 10:59 PM
Hi Silbereth,
Glad to hear you're enjoying the story 
I'll be keeping you in suspense a bit longer, I fear, but don't worry too much: the next chapter will be along by the beginning of September.
(And as to the ending, well... let's say that I know what it will be
)
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Silbereth - 13 Nov 11 - 4:14 AM
You killed them! :( :( nooooo..... Still I'm enjoying it immensely. I just wish Thranduil could have seen his son again :'(. I just love your writing style though so keep up the good work you have me on the edge of my seat!
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Silbereth - 28 Feb 12 - 10:40 AM
Not the Peredhil twins!!!! There's still hope, you haven't put anything on the timeline... My heart is racing!