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Never Speak Nor Sing

Beleth - 07 Nov 07 - 8:13 PM

General Comment

This story is one of my favorites. I just love the theme and the darkness you have in here.

I will always have to envy your knowledge of the Elven language. I am still in awe of it as much as I was a year back when I first read this.

Darth, I know I already reviewed this on another site, but as I was re-reading the author's notes (some people as you say actually like author's notes and I'm one of them)I came upon something that made me quite curious. Isn't 'min' just another word to describe the Vanyar in Quenya not Sindarin? I thought 'min' was a Quenyan word.

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oshun - 21 Dec 06 - 2:10 PM

Ch. 1: Story Notes

If there were awards for "best author's notes" these would be my nomination. I have quoted them extensively in private correspondence. My favorite lines are: "the characters are grumpy, quarrelsome, spiteful, cruel, arrogant, and a variety of other unpleasant adjectives besides.... But the Elves of the Silmarillion did lie, steal, fight, discriminate, kidnap, covet, attempt rape, betray, murder, and so on. And in Tolkien's early drafts, they were far worse."

If that wouldn't make someone want to read this story I don't know what would. (And the tale lives up to its billing!) Oh, yes, beautifully written as well.


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ghettoelleth - 21 May 07 - 7:17 AM

Ch. 2: Vanya

I find your attempt to write in English, a language which, it is painfully obvious, is not your native tongue, commendable.  However, perhaps if you abaondon your abuse of the Thesaurus and David Salo, and simply tried to write a palatable tale, it would read more like fiction and less like an attempt to cram in every obscure word from the lexicon you can manage.  The writing is sterile, the characterizations dry and the entire affair seemingly endless.

Ultimately, writing is about enjoying yourself and transporting the reader, not impressing Webster.

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Adaneth - 21 May 07 - 4:06 PM

Ch. 2: Vanya

Ghettoelleth, I think you are mistaking the deliberate attempt to write in a different mode and flavor of English--something Tolkien did a lot--for labored (because not fully competent) English.

As a lover of obscure words myself (having caught the thing from J.R.R.), I appreciate the subtly different meanings and worldview they give.  These are supposed to be very different cultures from ours, and very different people--using unfamiliar words, or familiar words strangely, is an effective way to keep the reader from thinking these characters are exactly like us.

But it's not to everyone's taste, the same way that the flatter tuning of a bagpipe makes it sound like tortured cats to some people, or the notes of "creosote" in a fine single malt scotch offend the palates of others.  If you do like this kind of thing, though, this is a masterly example, tantalizingly harsh and richly dark.

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oshun - 21 May 07 - 11:03 AM

Ch. 10: Lesson

What a strange review, Ghettoelleth. This particular story is in my opinion perhaps the best fanfic I have ever read. The writer is certainly one of the top two or three writers of fanfics I know of and I read way too many of the things. Also, although I am not a linguistic expert, is someone that I trust the most on the question of languages. I am completely taken aback by the opinion, but even more by the tone.

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