08 Dec 02 10:25 PM
One question I have always had question about is whether this is "slash". My own opinion is no. Why? Because, though it addresses the presence of sexual preference besides heterosexual desire, it is not specifically focused on a homosexual relationship between two characters, which is what I have always thought the designation "slash" to indicate. However, others choose to apply the term to any story in which homosexuality (or, more broadly, any sexual orientation besides heterosexual, however minor, oblique or hidden the reference) appears.
Mostly, I wanted to write a good story.
08 Dec 02 10:59 PM
Reply To: 1240
For my money, it's a good story - because it deals with more issues than just that, too. A short story can have a single theme, but a long one needs more.
And how the heck do you get your links to be not underlined, anyway?
08 Dec 02 11:16 PM
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class="bodylink" is the answer. Include just after the URL portion of the anchor tag, just before the closing angle bracket. Do a "View Source" to see how it is used on the pages in the site.
One of the interesting parts of writing Legacy was trying to figure out what "heterosexuality" would look like in a pre-Freudian world. Concepts, attitudes and reactions we take for granted in a Western, modern, industrial culture with a highly developed sense of individuality and interiority simply do not exist in a place like the Shire.
Writing about relationships within a strongly clan-based social order with strong social pressures to act in the interests of the group means that politics and economics are always a powerful part of sex and reproduction. It is definitely not a PC world.
Much to my surprise, change became the motive force in the story - what happens when a society is threatened with profound changes? How does this threat (and its actual working out) affect personal and clan relations?
If there is a theme in Legacy, it is about truth and truth-telling - perhaps "bearing witness" is a better way to phrase it - which comes back to change. What is the story we tell ourselves about ourselves, individually and collectively? The stories we tell affect the way in which we are able to (or fail to) engage a time of profound change.
Bilbo and Frodo (and almost every other character) is faced with the question "What do I say?"
11 Dec 02 1:17 PM
Reply To: 1244
It is not a slash story for me, either, because the main focus is not on homosexual relations or feelings of the characters.
Maybe not the best example, but with the same reason you could qualify "Legacy" as a horse story because there are some ponies in it.
By the way, will we see "Legacy" at HASA again? I mean in the public area.
11 Dec 02 1:59 PM
Reply To: 1342
I call it a drama - though I think it is properly a political who-dun-it. Snicker - sure, I can call it a horse story! ;-)
I admit to being somewhat alarmed at the willingness to call anything that portrays any type of same-sex affection as "slash". It is one of the most common search terms used on the site. To my mind, there are stories that are rightly termed slash - where the focus of the story is on a homosexual erotic relationship. They can be explicit or not. Simply having same-sex eroticism does not make a story slash. For me the term is almost meaningless anymore, except to flag where there is some kind of homosexual content. Well ,geez, by that definition the Bible is a work of slash.
What I see is a phenomenon where stories that have any hint of looking at same-sex erotic relationships are summarily categorized as slash (no matter what else is being examined in the story), and then are dismissed as porn or smut, no matter how the topic is addressed.
This is a tough one for me. On the one hand, I think that erotic writing is a legitimate writing form and does not deserve to be suppressed by the cultural conservatives. In those cases, I would rather claim label so as to fight censorship and prudery. On the other, I resist allowing a work of fiction that includes frank treatment of sexuality in social, cultural and political contexts to be reduced to a story about sex or sexual encounters.
I don't think there is an absolute line of demarcation, but I think there is a difference between writing about sexuality and writing sex/erotic scenes.
11 Dec 02 6:59 PM
Reply To: 1345
Absolutely. One can, of course, try to do both. And it need not be homoerotic, either.
Legacy - Chapter 1 Review
04 Feb 03 5:51 AM
Reply To: 1365
Anyway, this was a great first chapter. The writing was of a high standard and precise, and I liked the use of minor characters (who were well delineated and brought to life) - but the best bit was the family politics among hobbits. Like you, I think that obsession with "respectability" and constant discussion and gossip of family matters is inevitable in hobbit society and I think that makes them more credible and interesting than the benign pastoral creatures we see in canon. Also, I come from a family whose (former) aristocratic position made the personal political (and economical, etc) more often than not, so I appreciated seeing these issues handled in a deft and accurate manner.
A promising start for the story!
Off to chapter 2,
Re: Legacy - Chapter 1 Review
04 Feb 03 8:46 AM
Reply To: 3755
I'm a political scientist by training (that and 2.35 + tax will get me a cup of coffee at Starbuck's) so I like developing political themes. Reputation is a very valuable social commodity in a society like the Shire's. I don't think these hobbits are so much at odds with the benign picture of the canon as they are demonstrating the social distortions that had to have been growing in order for the reign of Lotho, then Sharkey, to have occured in one short year. They *want* to be the people depicted by JRRT, and they mostly are, but there are other things at work on them. (Cue brooding music) ;-)
I have not chaptered Legacy as, by the time the forums started, it was a completed story. Please post as you prefer to this thread.
Hope you enjoy the rest,
Legacy - Chapter 2 Review
11 Feb 03 6:47 AM
Reply To: 3761
With that said, I continue to greatly enjoy this story. The plot thickens, and I love the hintage of mystery and revelations to come in subsequent chapters (if my instinct does not fail me). The family relationships are very well drawn, and I particularly liked the interactions between Frodo and Bilbo (and the referrences to the events in The Hobbit!) - some delightfully crafted dialogue.
You have created a wonderful gap-filler that believably creates the Shire society with its ties, taboos, habits, politics and mythologies, and you do so in a manner that is both literate and dovetails perfectly with canon. Well done.
Off to chapter 3,
Legacy - Chapter 3 Review
13 Feb 03 7:12 AM
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I am loving this story more and more with each chapter - it's well-written, intelligent, complex and full of vivid and credible characters. You have achieved the purpose all good fanfic should strive for: to make us look at canon with a whole new perspective. The fact that you achieved this by drawing on a few "minor" events in canon marks you as a greatly acomplished writer.
In this chapter, although I loved it as a whole, I have to single out for compliments the poignancy of the final scene between Bilbo and Rory (wonderfully understated and realised) and the whole theme of change and its inevitability.
Oh, and did I say I love your Bilbo? :-)
Re: Legacy - Chapter 3 Review
13 Feb 03 9:11 AM
Reply To: 4257
This was an interesting chapter to write because it made me think about Hobbit politics, which is something that is missing from just about everywhere. JRRT only alludes to it. Rachel Stonebreaker's Pub Series 1 has an interesting presentation of Frodo drumming up interest in a public works project, but really it is not touched on very much. Yet, it has to happen. So how? Who conducts things? How does news and information travel? And so on. I'm *still* working these things out in my later stories.
Rory wrote himself. I started him a much more generic character and he tapped me on the shoulder and said, 'Mistress Ang, I don't mean to be interfering in your business, but there's a few points missing here." All four of the main secondary characters (Rory, Gilda, Esmie & Sara) all started life much more differently than they ended up. Gilda ended up so much different that she forced me to rewrite the last chapter completely, put herself square in the middle of On Merry Yule, and has demanded her own story, The Mistress.
Rory & Bilbo continue to discuss change in "Exchange", which looks more at the world outside the Shire.
Again, thank you for taking time to read my story, and even more for writing down some comments. I hope the rest continues to meet with your approval. :-)
Up to Ch. 6 - Belongings...
24 Jan 05 7:49 PM
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