Discussing: Conjugation and pronouns?
Conjugation and pronouns?
Melina
Message: 22888
30 Mar 04 11:51 AM
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30 Mar 04 11:51 AM
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From Ardalambion I got:
gohena- "forgive" (with person forgiven as object; contrast díhena-); inf. goheno, pr.t. gohena, pa.t. gohenne- (3 sg gohenn), fut. gohenatha, imp. goheno, part. gohenol (perfective gohíniel), pp. gohennen (pl. gehennin), ger. gohenad
So taking the rules, as best I understand them, for adding endings, I came up with:
present:
gohenan -- I forgive
gohenach -- you forgive
gohena -- he/she/it forgives
gohenam -- we forgive
gohenach -- you forgive (gohenal?)
gohenar -- they forgive
past:
gohennen -- I forgave
gohennech -- you forgave
gohenn -- he/she/it forgave
gohennem -- we forgave
gohennar -- you forgave
gohenner -- they forgave
future:
gohenathaon -- I will forgive (or drop the last a, so, gohenathon?)
gohenathach -- you will forgive
gohenatha -- he/she/it will forgive
gohenatham -- we will forgive
gohenathech -- you will forgive
gohenathar -- they will forgive
Am I anywhere close?
Also, I'm confused by pronoun use, specifically, when a pronoun should be combined with a verb for the speaker, or how they can be used as objects?
If I wanted to say: "I forgive you"
Gohenan le -- I forgive thee? or
Im gohenach -- I you forgive?
Or, more likely, something completely different?
Would it be different if you used a proper name instead of "you?" Is "Gohenan John" proper for "I forgive John?"
Thanks,
Melina
Re: Conjugation and pronouns?
Should be gohenon.
gohenach -- you forgive (gohenal?)
Definitely not gohenal; -l is a Quenya second-person ending. As for singular versus plural, I think that -ch has been accepted to cover both, post-movie.
gohenathaon -- I will forgive (or drop the last a, so, gohenathon?)
Should be gohenathon: the first-person ending -n always forces the -a to umlaut to -o-.
gohenathech -- you will forgive
Should also be gohenathach.
Everything else looks good.
As for pronouns -- the ending added to the verb indicates the subject of the sentence, and a pronoun is used as the object. Between your two examples, Gohenon le (note the spelling) would be the correct construction. And yes, you can replace the pronoun with any noun as the object of a verb -- but keep in mind that a noun used as an object will have its initial consonant lenited.
