07 Jan 05 11:52 AM
Reply To: 36165
AFAIK, it's another thing Tolkien never told us. (If he did, can somone please give me the reference!)
I think there are only two father-son relationships shown in Gondor and we never see a direct interaction between the only child, Bergil, and his father Beregond. Bergil refers to Beregond, when talking about him to Pippin, as "my father" and also a couple of times by name as "Beregond of the Guard". (He also refers to his grandfather as "my grandsire".) (All are in The Return of the King
, LoTR Book 5, Ch 1, Minas Tirith
As an adult, Faramir calls Denethor "father" or "my father" (in The Return of the King
, LoTR Book 5, Ch 4, The Siege of Gondor
). It's possible he always called him "father" and never used a diminutive form.
Also, Wordweaver, how old are the kids? And what class? Income level? (snort, I know it sounds weird... but I expect the upper circle kids have a different lingo compared to the lower circle kids) Where in Gondor?
Not at all stupid questions, Aeneid. I was going to ask them myself! Social class, age and regional accent might have a big influence. Also, how formal or loving is the relationship? And bear in mind that some families in Gondor speak Sindarin rather than Westron/Common tongue, so they might use the Sindarin adar
and or ada
for father and naneth
I ve used mama/papa (which have strong connotations of upper class and privileged to me) or father/mother myself. At the risk of sounding parochial (since I'm British
), I think British idioms are more likely to seem appropriate: for instance, mum/dad would sound better than mom/pop to me. Ma/Da and Mam/Dad definitely sound appropriate for lower class families.
I'm not sure if that helps, but I hope it does.