Raksha The Demon
19 Aug 04 9:40 PM
Reply To: 30675
"Tunics and surcoats? Hmmmmm.
Tunics are the older of the two, from the Viking ages on (probably a heck of a lot earlier, too). They can be either sleeved or sleeveless. So, they can be either basically like a long shirt (with another layer over it) or be made of such stuff as to go over shirts as the final layer. Tunics were more common to the earlier 1/2 of the Middle Ages.
Surcoats were initially worn over mail. Later in the middle ages they were worn over shirts or tunics. Their name is a derivative of surcotte, and their origin is based in what is now, as you can guess from the name, France. Most likely brought to what is now England with the Norman invasion, along with cotte, surcotte, and cotte-hardie... Anglicized into coat, surcoat and cotehardie.
Which you want to be using would depend upon what era you want your Gondor associated with. Pre-Norman invasion of the Celt and Viking type? Or post-Norman, post-Crusade variety.
BTW, to confuse matters even more: If you are going on movie-verse costuming, Ngila Dickson based her Gondorian costumes on pre-Middle Ages Byzantine era clothing. And *that's* a whole other kettle of hosen."
Color me confused now.
Aragorn wears what looks like leggings (but is called "hose" in THE LOTR WEAPONS AND WARFARE book) and a cranberry-colored shirt in the scene where he sees the lit beacon from Edoras and runs into Meduseld yelling "The beacons are lit!". What are they?
I want to stick with the movieverse costuming, except for the plate armor in Gondor, because at least I have visual references. I think I'll skip 'surcoat'. What is a jerkin and how does it compare to a tunic? The WEAPONS AND WARFARE book says Aragorn's travel outfit has a long sleeveless jerkin over the linen shirt, then a leather coat. But it says that Boromir wears a leather robe over his tunic; and this 'robe' looks similar to Aragorn's 'jerkin'.
And the movieverse Faramir and his Rangers wear leather things that the WEAPONS AND WARFARE book calls "tunics", but they look like the drawings of "jerkins" in my old dictionary.
In the story I'm writing off-site, most of the action takes place in Minas Tirith, peacetime, early 4th age, in the spring. I try not to specify garments too often out of fear of exposing my ignorance, but sometimes it's unavoidable.
I did notice, during the movie, that the Gondorian civilians' garb had a Byzantine look to it.
Thanx for the links, and the info.